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Hi there CB

No you haven't missed any episodes, you just have to join the dots!

Season 2 ends with Evie and Bea leaving UK, and season 3 starts with them leaving USA. Jack went to Germany. I believe Don owned the US mail order company that sold Evie and Bea's American ready to wear collection.

Watch it again, it'll all make sense.

Tip for anyone recording The House Of Elliot.

If your equipment is like mine and it set's it's clock automatically to the time broadcast on BBC1 TV, you may have noticed you are missing the start of The House of Elliot and record the start of the next program.

For some reason Yesterday starts broadcasting programs due to start on the hour up to 3 minutes early. If you set your timer to start at 14.58 and stop at 15.59, you'll get it all.

I somehow doubt they will start broadcasting on the hour, during the current 2nd and 3rd seasons as a response to this listing as I don't think they read this list.

Annia

Tip for anyone recording The House Of Elliot.

If your equipment is like mine and it set's it's clock automatically to the time broadcast on BBC1 TV, you may have noticed you are missing the start of The House of Elliot and record the start of the next program.

For some reason Yesterday starts broadcasting programs due to start on the hour up to 3 minutes early. If you set your timer to start at 14.58 and stop at 15.59, you'll get it all.

I somehow doubt they will start broadcasting on the hour, during the current 2nd and 3rd seasons as a response to this listing as I don't think they read this list.

Annia

Tip for anyone recording The House Of Elliot.

If your equipment is like mine and it set's it's clock automatically to the time broadcast on BBC1 TV, you may have noticed you are missing the start of The House of Elliot and record the start of the next program.

For some reason Yesterday starts broadcasting programs due to start on the hour up to 3 minuits early. If you set your timer to start at 14.58 and stop at 15.59, you'll get it all.

I somehow doubt they will start broadcasting on the hour, during the current 2nd and 3rd seasons as a response to this listing as I don't think they read this list.

Annia

I saw on The House Of Elliot page it looks as if they re going to be restarting the series, one episode per weekday at 3pm starting Wednesday 1st April.

So I mailed them to ask if this implies series 3 would not be showing May, as some viewers had been told. Here's the response.

"The interaction ID for this email is 23180

Dear Annia,

At the moment, unfortunately we do not have a specific date when we plan to show this programme again.

You can view scheduling information on our website at the link below; you may wish to keep an eye on the link to see if the programme gets added to future schedules.

uktv.co.uk/uktv/tv

We will pass your request on to the relevant department who will look into this further.

If you have any queries in the mean time then please don't hesitate to contact UKTV again.
Kind regards

The UKTV Team"


All I can say is Ay, yi, yi, yi, yi! If they don't know what they are doing?????

I really think Yesterday has has lost it's way. Maybe they've never heard of 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' It wasn't broke, it could have been added to, but I think it's just losing viewers, not adding or changing them. This link explains a lot. I'm certainly not represented here and I doubt a lot of other viewers are as well.
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My viewing of Yesterday is about 15-20 hours a week less
than UKTV History. I miss it. Currently it bores me.

I'm at a loss as to understand why House of Cards/To Play The King/The Final Cut is on Yesterday?

UKTV History identified itself as the "world-beating factual entertainment on UKTV History". It lived up to it's name, that's why I watched it and I enjoyed it. I also appreciated the broadening of programming to include historical dramas. There have been some particularly good BBC award winning dramatizations of historical events and documentary series made over the years that I'm looking forward to seeing repeated. But I doubt Yesterdays programing integrity.

It seems to me the only link to history The whole House Of Cards series seems to have, is that it's a repeat. This rather Prince Charlesesque King issue... honestly. Maybe I've missed my time transporter somewhere, or maybe Yesterday have missed the point. 'Who says you can't redo history' Yesterday asks. Well actually, maybe...

Hi Tina.

Hope this helps.

The lase episode which was broadcast on UK History on Sunday 1st March was the last episode (12th) of Series 2. Series 3 has only 10 episodes.

Some people have emailed Yesterday directly and received the same reply which includes the following.

"Season two of The House of Eliott ended last week. As UKTV History has recently been re-branded to Yesterday, there are new shows which are taking priority for the time being. However, we are looking into repeating The House of Eliott on Yesterday later in the year, and also the possibility of purchasing further series in order to carry on the story."

Continuing the story after the 10 available episodes of Season 3 seems a little optimistic as the studios for House of Elliot burnt in a fire in 1994 and the costumes were sold to the public in December 2008.

This also seems to be rather cynical response as in industry websites, executives of Yesterday state their target audience are 25-40 year old professional couples and they intend to focus on recent history. Wikipedia's 'Yesterday' page states "However as stated on UKTV History's website, Yesterday would focus only on the recent past such as the 50's and 60's with little emphasis being placed on World changing events such as the First World War, the Napoleonic Era, and the Medieval and Roman Periods. This has raised concerns with regular viewers of the channel."

So apart from not continuing House of Elliot, currently they are saying one thing to viewers who contact them and another to the broadcasting industry and the press.

I doubt I'll bother much with 'Yesterday' in the future. I don't appreciate being in a group of viewers, they are so happy to dismiss. Seems the new branding may be a self for-filling prophesy.

"I used to watch yesterday."

Dear Rosie, Peter and all who email UKTV

Just a point to remember when reading "and also the possibility of purchasing further series in order to carry on the story."

In real life, The House Of Elliot came to an abrupt halt after a fire destroyed the interior sets and it was considered too expensive to rebuild. Yesterday have shown 24 of the 34 episodes which are available. The 12 episodes of series 3 were never completed, the last 2 were never either filmed or completed. The series is filmed in Clifton, Bristol which is where I live and was big news at the time. Lastly the costumes were sold in December 2008 at a grand sale of costumes in Elstree to the public. See for yourself. [link]

It seems not only cutting series mid viewing is not benith Yesterday executives, giving the impression they can produce miracles is acceptable as well.

All we wanted them to do was show the whole series, but then we are probably the narrow 25-40 year old professional couples they are targeting as their audience.

UKTV intend to rebrand history in the same way they created the brand Dave. The difference is that Dave was a success because it identified a market that wasn't being catered to. While there maybe a market for popular recent history, there is an established market for factual historical programming with a longer view of history, which we members of and who they intend to leave un-catered for. I hardly call that progress.

UKTV was the most interesting of all UKTV programs. It was why I gave up Top-Up TV. I didn't watch or miss any of the others. I doubt I'll watch Yesterday again. I had hoped this was a 'teething' problem. Now I'm convinced they are happy just to slash viewers with a more traditional appreciation of history.

Here's some more info and names, if you want to vent your spleen at them. It's from The TV Room. [link]


UKTV statement about the new channel: "Yesterday is a place where the past is always present. On this channel the past will be evoked in a way that is more vivid and relevant to viewers than ever before. As well as the high quality history series that viewers would expect, there will be an emphasis on the history of our own lifetimes. Classic series such as 'Seven Ages Of Rock' and the 'Alan Clark Diaries' as well as new acquisitions such as 'International Terrorism' will help Yesterday put our lives today into context."

Matthew Littleford, UKTV controller explains: "Yesterday sets out to redefine what a history channel can be about. We promise to deliver a channel packed with shows that offer a more inclusive, accessible and entertaining approach to the past. This change adds to the excitement already created by our new brands Eden and Blighty and together our three new factual channels will be a major draw for audience into the documentary section of the EPG."

Jane Mote, director of factual, lifestyle and new media, adds: "There has been an explosion of interest in personal history recently witnessed by the growth of genealogy and the popularity of nostalgia based programmes. Yesterday will be a place where viewers can indulge in the past without apology. The greatest stories, greatest music and greatest characters of the past are captured here in all their glory."

Richard Kingsbury has been confirmed as channel head of Yesterday. Currently channel head of UKTV History and UKTV Food, Kingsbury will lead Yesterday through its re-launch, working closely with Jane Mote to develop the long term strategy for the channel.

The new channel idents and positioning are being developed by UKTV’s marketing team in conjunction with Red Bee Media.

Hey guys.

I think I've found the answer as to why The House of Elliot (and Poldark) were cut and why no programmer has responded to the views expressed on this message board.

I found this very interesting passage on the Wikipedia's Yesterday (TV channel)
"However as stated on UKTV History's website, Yesterday would focus only on the recent past such as the 50's and 60's with little emphasis being placed on World changing events such as the First World War, the Napoleonic Era, and the Medieval and Roman Periods. This has raised [link] with regular viewers of the channel."

Link to wikipedia page. [link]

I really thin their heads must be stuck right up somewhere where the sun don't shine, because there hasn't been a single attempt of audience research or marketing to back up such a shallow interpretation of history.

I think the biggest joke is on them. Freeview has truncated hours to encourage us to pay a subscription to see the extended hours on Virgin (joint owner of UKTV with BBC) or Sky.

Yeah right! Don't watch, buy and be incharge of your own programming.

For the start of a new TV channel, the high handed arrogance of 'Yesterday' programmers seem bent on turning shooting themselves in the foot into full blown suicide.

If at the end of the it's first week of re-branding, faithful viewers would rather buy the series that stay with the channel, what does this indicate for the future.

The absence of any comment from 'Yesterday' indicates they are totally unconcerned with viewers comments, is to say the least, a unique attitude. The irony is that announcing a re-running of the whole series of House of Elliot (and Poldark who's viewers are in a similar situation) would give a boost to viewing numbers for guaranteed lengths of time. Repeats of Antiques Roadshow and Catherine Cookson guarantees declining viewers on Sunday afternoon in their advertised 'Passion Period'.

I can understand peoples irritation regarding the period dramas currently being shown on Yesterday. I think the problem is that the programmers don't understand the difference between thinly disguised period melodramas, depicting well researched cultural and social history and historical drama. Catherine Cookson's stories usually has the same patronizing tale, where unimaginative working class people shout at each other apart from the ambitious 'own worst enemy' heroine who's redeemed by an 'outsider' middle class man. Pure melodramatic fiction, commonly called 'bodice rippers'. Historical dramas are usually well researched biographies, i.e. 'Shoulder To Shoulder' the brilliant 1970s series about the Suffragettes or the recent BBC4 Anne Frank dramas.

Over the years there have been a number of award winning dramatic series which is often the only way women in history, or minority groups, have had their stories portrayed on TV. 'The House Of Elliot', which I love, crosses both genres, but while not to everyone's taste, is a valid and educative introduction to the interwar years cultural, economic and political history.

What I dislike so much about the inclusion of Catherine Cookson, is the programmers patronizing attitude to placate women, calling Sunday afternoons the 'Passionate Period' or something similar in it's TV ads. All people watching UKTV History/Yesterday want quality fact based history, in all it's depictions, if we want to watch period melodrama, we'll watch IVT3. To presume women need light relief after 'getting the sunday roast on the table' is insulting.

I suspect Yesterday's programmers need to learn more about the difference between historical drama and period melodramas than the channels viewers. The way they are going at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised to see 'The Adventurers of Sherlock Holmes' appearing in a Victorian theme, and the 'X Files' as contemporary history. All Yesterday'll do is lose viewers as other factual channels emerge if they don't get it right.

There's lot's of dissatisfaction regarding the dropping of The House Of Elliot.

Visit the FaceBook 'The House Of Elliot Appreciation Group' and make your feelings known.

There is also the opportunity to say what other historical drama's you would like to see repeated on 'Yesterday' as well.

Get there by clicking twice on this link.

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Please join this free group to show your support of The House Of Elliot and other quality historical drama and invite others to join. The more of us there are the more interest programmers at Yesterday will have to take in our views.

Thanks



Annia

There's lot's of dissatisfaction regarding the dropping of The House Of Elliot.

Visit the FaceBook 'The House Of Elliot Appreciation Group' and make your feelings known.

There is also the opportunity to say what other historical drama's you would like to see repeated on 'Yesterday' as well.

Get there by clicking twice on this link.

[link]

Please join this free group to show your support of The House Of Elliot and other quality historical drama and invite others to join. The more of us there are the more interest programmers at Yesterday will have to take in our views.

Thanks



Annia

Just for fun guys, I've started a House of Elliot Appreciation group on Facebook.

It'll be interesting to see how many join or leave messages. I hope you'll do if you want to see Episode 3. Lets see if we can get 10,000 members.

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I'm sure Yesterday will be interested and respond positively to such interest.

I've just seen what the programmers for 'Yesterday' have for us as a replacement for House of Elliot. Sunday afternoons are a patronizing patchwork of Sharp, Antiques Roadshow and Catherine Cookson. I don't think I've ever seen such a cheesy dumbing down of programming since Channel 4 started Big Brother.

Somehow in their wisdom they think they can keep the 'ladies' happy with an afternoon visiting the land where all the working classes know their place except the one with vision and ambition which makes her, her own worse enemy. Considering Mother's Day is coming up I suppose we can expect All Creatures Great and Small to accompany the chocolates they think we'll all be eating as we do our embroidery or flower arranging!

Yesterday, you have not pitched your programming appropriately. Listen to your audience. This is not inclusive programming. This is insulting and irritating programming.

Give us back out 3 hour of House of Elliot and when that has finished follow with similarly intelligent viewing or watch your viewers desert.

I totally agree with all the other posts. Why pull House of Elliot? A couple of years ago UKTV History was just about exclusively about history pertaining to men. Lots of wars and battles, very blokish. Your programmers worked hard widening your audience base, bringing in factual based, well researched historical drama. House of Elliot is a good example of this trend, albeit a late addition. It looks as if 'Yesterday' has chosen to return to a more limited take on what constitutes 'history', more fool you. The generous 3 hour slot you gave it was a treat, allowing us to follow complete period story-lines. Please show Series 3 in the same format ASAP. It would also help if you provided a week at a view channel program listings to make it easier to follow series and organize viewing or recording.

Altogether this is a bit of a poor show for a new start. Have you ever heard of a term, if it ain't broke, don't fix it? Yesterday hasn't added any new tools, facilities or programs, just removed what was valued.