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SockPuppet
Posted 11.36PM
Fri 21 Mar 2008
TVFoodie - yep, I gather Tana won't be doing the show anymore - no idea who's lined up to replace her, but I don't think they need anyone really. Too many presenters gives it even less sense of identity.
SockPuppet
Posted 11.42AM
Fri 21 Mar 2008
I had my fourth visit to the Market Kitchen set a couple of weeks ago and met a couple of people I'd seen there before, as well as some lovely new people who are going to be going back, and thought it would be nice to set up a topic here to chat about our experiences!
Fortunately I got to meet Tom several times on my visits, and I think he's a wonderful human being. It's nice to get to know the crew that make the show, as well, although so far I've managed to avoid being interviewed in front of the camera too many times! Bit self conscious when there's a camera a foot from my face!
Still, it's a lovely day and I thought it might be nice to share our stories!
SockPuppet
Posted 11.36AM
Fri 21 Mar 2008
Ohh for God's sake, are we STILL waffling on bitterly about Tom's relatives? Face facts, he's a nice man, a knowledgeable man, an intelligent man, a man that's interested in what other people have to say about food and who is willing to learn new things instead of criticising others for having an alternative, personal opinion.
He just happens to have a famous mum. So what?
SockPuppet
Posted 11.33AM
Fri 21 Mar 2008
Oh by the way, the show's been recommissioned for another year according to folk on DigitalSpy... I really have to laugh at all the people that hate it. There seem to be plenty of people that don't hate it! Thing is, I guess they have better things to do than come on here (like you and me!) and post about what they think. And haters are always louder anyway.
Especially when it's the same dozen forumites!
SockPuppet
Posted 11.30AM
Fri 21 Mar 2008
Good grief, are people STILL posting in this thread about how bad the show is?
Hey TVFoodie, how do you know it's still bad? You're still tuning in to watch? Can't be THAT bad then, eh? 
SockPuppet
Posted 4.35PM
Fri 22 Feb 2008
I have to say I'm quite appalled that someone actually LIKES Matthew Fort. He's an insufferable arrogant old fool. He makes me turn it off. Tom, on the other hand, makes this show worth watching. A very genuine, amusing and crucially, INTERESTED man (ie, interested in what he's talking about or being told about, as opposed to Fort who just thinks he knows better. All. The. Time.)
SockPuppet
Posted 4.33PM
Fri 22 Feb 2008
By the way the show is only recorded 2 weeks in advance. Plenty of time to get the seasonal vegetables that you seem to think have gone out of season by the time you see it...
SockPuppet
Posted 4.30PM
Fri 22 Feb 2008
Well here's my own thoughts!
Tom: lovely, LOVELY man. Not a great cook but that doesn't matter. Very honest, genuine, has opinions, is educated, is open to learning more about food, very warm, and I honestly think he's villified here purely because he's related to royalty. So what?
Matt: bit of a ponce. In my opinion. Smug, too. He can cook, though. Seems to have got a lot better at this TV lark since doing this show, and I don't mind him nearly as much as I used to. Don't get a good vibe from the Tana/Tebbut shows, though.
Tana: shouldn't be on TV, she's just not comfortable with it. I understand that she's not fond of doing this show and has opted out of the next 'series', though (can't reveal my sources!)...
Matthew: an insufferably arrogant joke of a man. Throws his opinions around as if they're gold plated when really he should keep his mouth shut and let someone else talk for once. Comes across as a belligerent fool who thinks the show is his and his alone, and even makes out like he knows better than chefs - and why? Because he has a food review column? So what?
I think Tom is the shining star on this show. He makes it very watchable for me. When I see Fort I turn off.
SockPuppet
Posted 9.40PM
Sat 3 Nov 2007
I thought I'd write a bit of a 'Report' on my experiences visiting the show - something bring some positivity to this thread amongst all the gloom! I've recently returned from another visit. I've been a few times now - it's free (well, apart from travel costs), you get fed, and it's a very interesting day out.
We have been several times, usually for about 4 or 5 hours. If you arrive in the morning you get a lovely introductory speech from the floor manager (a very friendly, jovial chap called Wayne who cracks the whip on the floor and gets things moving along). Teas, coffees, water, juice, light snacks etc are always available from the 'barristas' (coffee people, in black). You are herded around according to where they will be filming so that you can see what's going on and they can see you (to maintain the slightly daft illusion of a working bustling cafe). They have started to come round asking you what you thought of things after they've been cooked, which can be a bit dramatic as two or three cameras get pointed at you with a microphone dangling over your head, but it's quite good fun. There's a lot of stopping and starting, but the coffee people are very chatty. You get a really nice big lunch for an hour if you're there at lunch time, and sandwiches for half an hour in the evening. One thing that's very odd but I suppose necessary is that as all the cameras are pointing at the kitchens during items, in breaks they ask us all to keep looking at the hobs and then film us doing so, as well as filming us eat the things they've cooked - you become very conscious of your table manners!
As for the people that work in the studio, what we saw was a lot of hard-working young men and women, researchers, 'runners' (the coffee people), camerapeople (male and female!), sound recordists, make up people, and home economists who cook all the various stages of "here's one I made earlier" for the recipes that would take too long to make live.
These people worked very hard. The researchers were friendly and personable to a man, although most of the time they're rushed off their feet clarifying facts for the presenters, talking in their headsets to directors or producers and generally making sure everything is where it needs to be. The people who walk around bringing coffee really are walking around bringing coffee - or anything else you fancy, and are only too happy to engage you in chat about who you are, where you're from, what you do, etc etc (quite dishy, too!). For the camera people it looks very physical, carrying portable cameras for pretty much 12 hours (by all accounts - my partner and I were only there for 6) and the sense of teamwork and camaraderie (camera-derie? hehe) between them was palpable. The girls (and guy) that prepare all the food - well, all I can say is they are clearly exceptionally accomplished cooks, as not only do they cook versions of all the food the chefs are purportedly making, but they can obviously cook it to their standards, and have it ready at very specific times to fit in with the recording of the show, which itself can be a long a drawn out process. Most impressive time management skills!
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that while the show I have been watching on TV is frustratingly bereft of warmth (with increasing glimpses of style from some of the better guest chefs), the feel that you get from being in the studio can be quite the opposite. I've always left feeling welcomed, informed, and entertained by what I've seen. It's really quite interesting how little of that feeling translates to the screen and I put it down to there being a considerable amount being chopped or edited out. In fact I've seen numerous engaging and interesting exchanges get stopped because they were over-running. I also feel the show is 'staged' in such a way that it might look engaging but it doesn't promote engaging chat. Finally, there are too many presenters and not enough 'nouse'. I hate to bring up GFL because that show is gone and it's not coming back, but Jeni was one woman who knew what she thought, and knew what she wanted to ask, and she allowed items to breathe and to develop naturally rather than pursuing a fixed line of questioning. This allowed her to pay respect to those she was interviewing or observing, and that's not something that's allowed to happen in the hurried pace of this show. There are too many seperate items and not enough of a connection between them, for one thing. I think there could easily still be one less major item in each show, allowing everything else to breathe a bit more, and suddenly everything would come to life. In fact, I sincerely hope someone with power is reading this, because it's the one thing I think could inject some life into things. LESS IS MORE!
Now then, where was I?
Overall I watch this show now with a considerably changed eye than when I first saw it, as I now feel I know that coffee man and all those faceless studio people. There's a team working their backsides off in there, many to just pay their bills and mortgage I'm sure, and while I'm not suggesting that anyone gives the content of the show some slack because of what I've written above, I did just want to give those people their due in a brief break before you all get back to cracking the whip on whoever holds the reigns...
Did I mention LESS IS MORE?
G.
SockPuppet
Posted 8.53PM
Sat 3 Nov 2007
I pop into this thread every now and again to see what you lot are moaning about now - considering you hate the show, there's an awful lot of people that are still terribly knowledgeable about what's been happening on it lately.
What's caused me to break my silence is the moaning about slates for cheese by gastrosurf (nice name, by the way!). First you moan about how the show is sooooo appalling for using OHMYGOD ROOF SLATES for cheese. Then you're corrected - a lot of people use slate to present cheese. Undaunted, you concede the point but fight back with the suggestion that MK must have purchased them from B&Q (so tacky) and are quite desperate to appear trendy.
Of course, you've forgotten that GFL used slates many, many, MANY times to present cheese, amongst other things...
But of course, that was probably a much better class of slate... 
SockPuppet
Posted 1.50PM
Sat 12 May 2007
See, normally this sort of hiccup wouldn't bother me, but this show thinks it's soooo great that I'm really quite appalled this got through the net. Personally, I think it shows how little the people making the show actually care.
SockPuppet
Posted 11.53AM
Wed 9 May 2007
A colleague of mine's sister has been on the show (she didn't fill in the application, apparently she knows someone who knows someone) and she was in the studio for 8 hours and had absolutely no idea what was going on, apparently. I've told her she should log in here and share all but she's a technophobe :(
Anyway, it's pre-recorded as we all know, and took about 4 hours to do a show and the waiting staff are apparently not trained waiting staff, they are juniors at the production company. Apparently TPB is a lovely man in real life, and Matthew Fort likes to fall asleep whenever he can - much like his viewers eh ha ha!
Other than that there was no gossip to uncover it seems, I was very disappointed! The camera crew sound like they get very tired and I'm not surprised. Also, all of the questions the people ask aren't very spontaneous and she said several people didn't get to ask a question because the one they'd been told to ask was actually answered during the cooking. Great communication there, then!
I've not watched much of the show as I find it patronises me. I don't miss GFL so much any more, and I find myself watching AWT on ITV much much more! I like that show - they don't mess around being 'funky' and 'crazy' with stupid camera shots - they just cook lots and lots of really good food. Market Kitchen spends too long 'chatting' to their diners (which sounds scripted and not very professional) and I can't believe they are STILL doing that thing where 3 people try to make what the chef just did. What is this, an entertainment show (which fails) or a cooking show (which teaches me nothing)?
Soooooo boring! How can the people that make this go to sleep at night thinking they've made a decent food show???
SockPuppet
Posted 11.35AM
Wed 9 May 2007
Wow, this new Market Kitchen message board has really taken off, hasn't it! SO many new messages, where to begin??

SockPuppet
Posted 2.40PM
Fri 20 Apr 2007
By the way, this how they do ratings in America - it might be a bit different over here, but I doubt it!
SockPuppet
Posted 2.39PM
Fri 20 Apr 2007
Actually, it's a funny story how ratings are calculated.
It's all guesswork. A number of viewers who are considered to represent the ENTIRE demographic of the UK have little black boxes in their homes connected to their TVs. When they watch something, the box records it.
Overnight, the records are collated and extrapolated to how they represent the entire nation. So, ALL ratings are total guesswork based on what these select viewers watch themselves.
All rubbish, really. And so hilarious that Amanda thought we would be impressed by their 'huge viewing figures'. Show us your figures in a few weeks and I may eat my words. Just goes to show what they grade the success of a show by - not whether the content is fun for the VIEWER but how big the numbers they can attach to the show are (for example, the ratings, their advertising revenue, their own salary...)
By the way, I'm sure you all have a lot of fun in the studio making your shows, but try to think about what we the viewer will find entertaining, why don't you?
SockPuppet
Posted 1.45PM
Fri 20 Apr 2007
SarahNarya - you probably said you didn't like MK...
I don't like MK. I think there has been a woeful misinterpretation of what food shows should be about these days. I can understand exactly why GFL was taken off. Notwithstanding all the furiously devoted supporters of the show on these forums, to look at it from outside the show was very old fashioned. Two hobs, one presenters, chefs come on and cook something, a sofa for having an interview, some wine and some beer items, the end.
Very 'old school'. Unfortunately, this was the very reason it was so well liked. Its content was very easy to enjoy - it was entertaining AND informative at the same time. It allowed restaurant quality chefs to come on and show us how to cook restaurant quality food, as well as how to get the very best from very basic ingredients. The chefs interaction with Jeni came forward and entertained us, Jeni asked the questions we would ask and was educated along with us. There was no highly-produced sheen getting in the way. It was what it was, and it was driven by an exceptionally entertaining and very PERSONAL presenter, who had decades of experience behind her.
Where MK falls flat on its backside is very simple - it is clearly supposed to be an entertaining show about food, but the problem is that it behaves as though the last 5 years of GFL didn't exist. There really isn't anything entertaining or informative about watching a deeply talented chef show us something embarrassingly simple, then watching members of the 'public' attempt it themselves, Generation-Game-style. It's not informative, and as an entertainment device it's as old as the hills. Certainly not innovative. A complete waste of time.
The 'viewer recipes' and 'viewer restaurant reviews' that have been mooted on the website are also totally pointless. To be honest, I get NO entertainment or education from watching a wannabe actress/15-minutes-of-famer telling us what they thought of their local cafe or how they grow cress at their desk.
The camera work is indeed vomit-inducing, but I can see why it's being done. Someone in power there has decided that the show has to be all glossy, fast, snappy. Why don't they realise there needs to be CONTENT to back this up? What the show needs is EXPERTS. It needs what experienced professionals it has booked to be allowed to fully take the stage, rather than being stooges in these frothy silly games and inter-presenter rivalries.
It is currently hamstrung by presenters who obviously haven't found their feet yet. I have no idea what the daily schedule for this show is, but there clearly hasn't been enough time to bed in the weakest links (and of course they know who we mean). The thing is, even when they've finally built up some personality and a relationship between each other (which will happen - look at how Merrilees, JC and Stefan started to gel by the time Food Uncut was canned), I don't see a show worth watching here.
My biggest concern is that the content of the show has been locked in, and so frothy, worthless 'Generation Game' style items, scripted 'questions' from the audience and the very shallow 'competition' between the two presenters to cook a better 'INSERT ENTRY LEVEL RECIPE HERE' than the other one, are all really REALLY bad ideas. They teach us nothing, and they do it in such a selfimportant, stiff-upper-lip way as to patronise us deeply. I would expect this from a tea-time ITV show, but not from a specialist TV channel.
UKTV, and the producers of Market Kitchen - if you are here for the long haul, please don't dumb down your content. It's the single worst feature of the show. Fix it, make it much MUCH more intelligent and educational, and less of a Saturday morning game show, and you might just claw your way back into my daily viewing schedule.
SockPuppet
Posted 11.12AM
Tue 17 Apr 2007
Not live - pre-recorded the week before in Kentish Town according to Digital Spy website.
SockPuppet
Posted 6.21PM
Mon 16 Apr 2007
Good points - but the fact of the matter is, who exactly do YOU suggest judges these shows? Someone has to. If you don't want people who are successful in food to judge them, then who? I agree with you 100% about Gregg Wallace.
Also, I somehow doubt very much that TPB had his books ghost written for him. If you actually bother to have a look at his most recent one, while it's not, I grant you, anything approaching the level of affability and insight of any Nigel Slater, it is actually based on his real experiences travelling the globe having a try of slightly unusual food. Also, he's been on GFL before talking about it and try as I did, I couldn't actually find it in me to hate him even though I wanted to.
SockPuppet
Posted 5.18PM
Mon 16 Apr 2007
baboush 1 - you don't seriously think the show is actually being produced live each day and then being edited that afternoon for the evening, do you?
It's quite well known now that they've been making the show for the last few weeks in fact, and that it's very much pre-recorded at least a week if not more so in advance.
Shame, I liked it when they loused up on GFL too 
SockPuppet
Posted 5.15PM
Mon 16 Apr 2007
If yoou read his bio you'ld see he actually has rather a lot to offer a food programme. A food journalist AND he's written two books on the topic of food, from rather unusual viewpoints. I for one am looking forward to seeing how he handles TV presenting.
It's Tana "Even Gordon isn't a fan of her cooking" Ramsay I'm least looking forward to.
SockPuppet
Posted 4.56PM
Mon 16 Apr 2007
GFL was always produced by the same company - they were never taken over or bought out by anyone. The company is Prospect Pictures - I believe they make Saturday Cooks on ITV as well.
Market Kitchen is made by Optimum or Optimen or something. They make The F Word as well.
Incidentally I've just watched the trailer for MK on the front page of the UKTVFood website - all shaky cameras and a superduper flashy expensive looking set. I bet GFL are gutted that they got screwed over so badly!
SockPuppet
Posted 7.16PM
Fri 30 Mar 2007
Producers of the show have nothing to do with the decision - producers are the people in charge of each episode's content, and have been as stitched up as poor Jeni and us viewers have.
You want to be blaming EXECUTIVES, at the UKTV channel. 
SockPuppet
Posted 3.45PM
Thu 22 Mar 2007
I just posted a topic about sending the team a card and a letter to wish them well and let them know how much the show has meant to us, and presumably because I included the postal address of Capital Studios (that's freely available on their website), my topic was deleted.
Seems UKTV really don't like the thought of us getting in touch with the team. Typical. They don't care about us or the show. They only care about money and how they look.
SockPuppet
Posted 3.40PM
Thu 22 Mar 2007
Oopps my mistake - but you know what I mean though - it's a fairly predictable and detail-free response, isn't it?
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