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He was such a nice guy at school aswell lol.

Oh well never mind I guess we'll just have to invent our own lil classics

aw well bless my soul mods got me for my reply Simon,but anyway amongst it all I agree no-one owns a recipe.............

Debbony, I can see how you can plagiarise a book, recent case was The Da Vinci Code.

I can also see the reference to Mrs Beeton, and am not disagreeing with you, but how do you plagiarise a recipe as such to have it removed from a website?

I am the Admin on a large Forum I have over 31,500 active members, we have a reasonably small section devoted to cooking, health etc., but I deal with copyright issues every day, and I'm sorry but if I watch Gary make a dish, or read one of his recipes, and I do my own variation of it, it's no longer his it's mine. It's whoever developes it further in fact.

I think there was a Dundee cake metioned earlier in this thread, well, as far as I know Mr. Rhodes didn't invent the Dundee cake, so he got it from somewhere else and made his own take on it, then it's a Gary Rhodes Dundee cake.

If I look at his recipe and decide to change it a bit, it's a Simon2k5 Dundee Cake, you can't OWN a recipe for crying out loud it's laughable.

Money is what counts, it not just Gary Rhodes it's anyone who is anyone, or has a book written.

I have a 'lot' of top "celeb chefs" books and I do mean alot, as well as a of alot of other cookbooks, I like to read them, sad to some, interesting to others.

I've paid my money and if I think I want to alter a recipe to something that 'I' feel is better, quicker, tastier, different to the original, I will and if I want to then share that recipe I will!

Yours one very perplexed

Simon

PS that's 5.9 MILLION google instances
PPS silly hubby went bancrupt (possibly due to his interest in evening activities) and sold the book rights - he and she didn't make a sausage from the book - fat lot of good copywright did Mrs Beeton!

Hi it's me who had the recipe removed. I totally agree with Simon 2k5 - in fact one of the biggest plagiarist regarding recipes was the famous Mrs Beeton (who as an aside died of syphilis due to her hubby sleeping with ladies of the night - history lesson for ya). Whilst I've not checked the c. 5.9 google instances of 'fish pie recipe', I can confirm that based on a wide selection of the fishy sections of my 40 odd recipe books - Gary's was far from innovative - just big! It was quite obvious the recipe I posted was not a copy otherwise there'd have been exact measures and instructions - if I change the name of the fish are we ok copyright wise?????

Good day peeps,I understand about the copyright & the need to get the financial return by the chefs etc, but we DO record programmes & watch repeat programmes or like myself I can & do get some of the books from the library(so no cost there,as I cannot afford to buy)What I was asking though is "why" can SOME of the recipes get posted on here & not other recipes from the same chef?

After reading through this discussion, it is clear to me that some of the confusion about looking for these recipes on this site has come from the fact that these programmes are repeats. The captions and voice overs regarding the availability of the recipes on the site are from when the programme was first broadcast. The recipes were probably available then but only for a limited period of time because if they were available all of the time, no-one would go out and buy the book. As for not being able to post the recipes yourselves, whether it is right or wrong the law is the law, and this site cannot be seen to condone the law being broken.

I think you will find the difference is posting recipes and posting "someones" recipe.

Gary and all the other "celeb" chefs as well as a lot of other people, write books, they are pubished and copyrighted. They want you to buy their book, not just give all of their ideas and twists away for nothing. It's a money making market.

So the big difference is posting "a" recipe, or posting "someones", ie you can post a dundee cake recipe, you just can't post Gary's dundee cake recipe.

They may look the same, they may taste the same, but if you specifically want the one in Gary's name you have to pay for it. Look at it the other way, if someone takes the time to write a book, publish it and market it, that costs money, so they need to get it back somehow, also if no one had ever started writing cookery books and we had had to depend on family recipes handed down, some of us would be very limited wouldn't we?

Not being able to share a recipe is absolutely ridiculous, where did Gary learn to make Dundee cake, is it not his take on a recipe he read or saw someone else make, or did he dream it in his sleep?

All chefs borrow from other chefs or recipes it's how we evolve our own styles and learn to cook in the first place, it's so petty to keep them to yourself.

i get so confused on this topic ref copyright as some peeps do post his recipes & they don't get deleted.Can anyone enlighten me why some do & some don't get swiped.Thanks in advance guys

Because it was based on a Gary Rhodes recipe, and you clearly said that before you posted. Anything remotely connected to the Gary Rhodes, or any other chef, book, magazine or TV show, will be removed. You have to make it clear it is your own recipe, or handed down to you by a relative or friend. That sort of thing.

Original recipes only.

I did post a recipe based on something I'd seen on TV that I'd watched along with many others - it wasn't written down or exact - however it was still removed

Debbony, I don't think Georgie ever suggested copying from the library book, just borrowing the book from the library to make the dish, that's all.

Gary Rhode's has his own website now with some recipes on, see link from Livewire above, as for the rest? Well his publishers own them, not him, and copyright is copyright.

However, if you have your own recipe of a dish, which isn't copyrighted, then you can post it.

Obviously sharing from memory infringes copywright laws - AS THE RECIPE I RECALLED HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS SITE - it was obvious my my ingredients list I'd not copied from a book nor wrote down from the TV programme! (PS I think copying from a library book DOES infringe Georgie1)

I neither have the book nor wrote the receipe therefore I don't believe I'll upset any copyright laws - if anyone knows any different let me know otherwise I'll summarise what I remember as I made at luch today - which was fab by the way

If you read the thread kaz84, you will see that Gary's recipes cannot be put on the site, by the website themselves or by anyone else. Copyright rules ok.

has anyone got the recipe for garys flourless choclate cake

This is what we have libraries for.....

I seen Gary Rhodes programe for a giant cod and salmon fish cake but was unable to get the recipe down quick befor it went off. Can anyone help.

Thanks

Also Sarn...(on a roll now!) the book New British Classics was first published in 1999, and I assume the BBC TV series was shown that year too... that makes it 5 years ago so what's the problem? We picked it up earlier this year on a '3 for £10' book sale in our local garden centre!

Until he has the grace to allow his recipes onto the internet for all to enjoy then I won't buy another, no matter how 'cheap'.

*takes deep breff*

It's a shame Gary Rhodes doesn't know how many people he's upsetting, I'm with TipsyTurvy on this one.

A Dundee cake is a classic recipe and you should find one doing a google or such like search.
It is a light fruit cake with orange peel grated into the main ingredients and usually a ring of blanched almonds on the top.
All Gary Rhodes did was to then bake them in muffin type tins to make them an individual portion.

hi watched gary rhodes recipe for his dundee cake he made where can i find recipe for it .looked on this site but no joy do i have to buy his book to get recipes

You know it does make me a bit cross...his programme, and the book were made by the BBC...OUR BBC (!) and I think it's wrong that the recipes cannot be put on the web. I for one, will not be buying any more of his books.

Thanks for the link.