Like so many other people here, i've given MK more than it's fair day in court, and sadly for UKTV Food, my opinion mirrors the overwhelming majority that MK is utter pants and is as about as popular as a Rattlesnake in a Lucky Dip. Tom Parker-Bowles to put it bluntly hasn't got a clue, Matthew Fort doesn't rate any better, and what Tana Ramsay is doing there (when she IS there) the good lord only knows.

The guy who sent in the viewing figures for GFL Vs MK has confirmed to everyone what we have all known from the very first week of it airing...... that this program was not a suitable/equal replacement for GFL. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the worst food program ever (i thought TV Dinners was totally pointless and utter garbage) but it's way up there on the list of programs to avoid.

If UKTV Food REALLY had to replace GFL the powers that be would have done a lot better to have gone with some new Rick Stein or Gary Rhodes programs which were/are at least entertaining, informative and most importantly, interesting. MK is none of the above.

I have a great idea. Lets just scrap MK right now, file it away in the 'that one didn't quite work' cabinet, and repeat GFL from the first program in it's place. YEAH!!!! now you're talking!! This would give us all 5 years of pure bliss and it wouldn't cost UKTV Food one Red Cent!!

Interesting MtkGuru, your suggestions for improvements to MK make absolute sense to me. However the ideal programme you describe sounds very much like the programme we lost... GFL!

maybe the producers are listening to the avalanche of posts here. am i right in thinking the silly and pointless point-scoring of the cook-offs has diminished (tana almost spits with joy/hate she is so competitive) on the prog? i still think it daft that the intetesting work of the chefs is interrupted by the sometimes laughable attempts of Tom and Matthew to cook, they just come across as a couple of toffs (however charming and eccentric) cooking up a bachelor supper in their pied a terres.

I agree that the programme is drifting back towards to the GFL format, chefs are being given more solo-time, the 'would you like me to chop that' pointless inclusion of the presenters is diminishing. This is good. The awkward interplay between the prisoners (public) is also diminishing and that jenny lookalike lady has been allowed in from her stints in the market and is a good contributor (a character at last).

Rachel of course rocked this week, she is fragrant and lovely in an alabastor statue kind of way, anyway, i will dream on. Reg of the Citroen.

NO WAY do we want GFL or anything like it back. Jeni Barnet got above herself and spoilled the whole thing. MK is a much better FOOD program without the drama and oneupmanship.

Reg Citroen I agree with much of what you say. Tana's competitive streak was driving me mad.

JJ3 why so obsessed and rude about Jeni? This thread isn't even about her?

JJ3 - touchy - if you call putting my point of view touchy, then yes, I am touchy, and in that respect so are you, virile????? Mmmmmm - not sure thats an appropriate use of the word either.
Its your view of Jenni that you put forwards, and I am reporting your post - it is offensive and objectionable - this thread is about the programme not a forum for posting negative personal comments. If Jenni is no longer a threat to Miserable Garden (sorry Market Kitchen) then why do you need to criticise her?

Hey guys. calm down here.

belle maman your posts are not making much sense at all, if you want to talk about Market Kitchen do so, if you want to talk about Jeni Barnett do so, but don't keep muddling to two.

You are talking about Market Kitchen and GF
L and Jeni Barnett in your posts so you can hardly complain about other people doing the same.

Simply by calling Market Kitchen by a different and offensive name you are being offensive. Please don't put other people in the wrong for saying what they think too.

I think IMHO that this putting down of Market Kitchen and bring back GFL and Jeni have gone too far, GFL is not coming back, and Jeni may if she is lucky. Neither have anything to do with Market Kitchen. I for one am getting very very sick and tired of the bring back GFL, bring back Jeni, and I hate Market Kitchen taking over half the site.

There is no need, repeating the same comments over and over, saying I hate this or him or her over and over. You have all made your points, so why not now just leave it? or at least keep it to a couple of threads on the appropriate forums.

Give the rest of us a break please.

GFL *was* Jeni Barnett, they were inseparable so it's not clear what JJ3 means. Surely, Jeni was not everyones cup-of-tea and so they probably didn't watch GFL. No suprose there, really.

But the points made by Reg Citroen are right on.

But for one-ups-man-ship Tana is much worse than Jeni anyday. She seems to "compete" with everyone on the show. She must be incredibly insecure?

But I'll have to say there's no point in just being vitriolic and rude, JJ3. It reflects poorly on you and you lose any credibility. Do you work for the MK roduction house, perhaps?

GFL is spot-on [IMHO]. GFL was defined by Jeni nad that's why the programme is sorely missed.

Rosti, it's clear to the rest of us, whatever our opinion of MK, that this new poster has a very particular personal agenda which is not genuine. Yesterday morning in the space of 10 minutes they went onto many threads making spurious comments which raised suspicion.

You have been very vocal in your attempts to persuade us that it's only ok to post positive comments. You have to acknowledge that you are in a small minority and the weight of public - and professional - opinion is against you I'm afraid.

I agree with you that almost everything that could be said about this programme has been said but at least many people carry on caring. It's much worse to be indifferent, although many, including myself, are heading that way. Some people are already voting with their feet, remotes and subscription fees and that is very sad indeed.

I'm not in the 'bring back Jeni' camp, simply that MK is badly made and lacks entertainment value. But I can understand the passion people felt for GFL and can appreciate how unjust it must feel when the channel has won an award largely based on GFL success.

Let everyone have their say Rosti. It's great that you like MK but others don't. That's all.

Conch, please don't twist what I have said.

I have not attempted to persuade you that it's only ok to post positive comments. I simply started a thread where people could, and hoped you would leave it for those who wanted to.

People who want to debate and argue with you will, others who want to make a positive comment may feel they can't because they will be shouted down. I know of a lot of people from other websites who want to post here in favour of Market Kitchen, but won't, because they feel intimidated by the fact that every time someone does say something good about Market Kitchen, or bad about Jeni, they get a dozen posts saying the opposite.

There are plenty of people out there watching and enjoying Market Kitchen, they just don't post because it encourages and increases the anti brigade.

I recognise we had a WUM here yesterday, which is why I asked you all to calm down.

All I have asked now is that you keep to a couple of threads instead of flooding half the site with your anti Market Kitchen and (in other cases if not yours) bring back Jeni posts.

It's not too much to ask especially as I tried to start ONE positive thread to keep the positive side of things in one place.

Is it?

PS. Rosti, please also bear in mind the title of this thread as an indication that posts will not be extolling the virtues of MK. You do have your very own 'positively started' thread if that's what you want. Although I have to say I disagree with this apartheid approach.

I'd urge you to read MktGuru's post above which is a valuable insight into the worth of consumer feedback.

I would urge you to recognise another WUM and please read my post before replying to it thank you Conch.

Not with you I'm afraid. You'll have to be more explicit.

Conch, I will not raise to this and get into an argument with you, I can see that is what you want. Why, in both of your posts, are you saying about my positive thread, when I have explained quite simply about it?

Anything else, YOU will have to be more explicit as I really cannot understand what part of my one sentence, two line post you possibly cannot understand.

No this isn't the worst cookery programme ever it is or will be one of the best. Hurray for MK!

If I appeared to be a WUM I am sorry and will try to adapt my style, it doesnt change my opinion though. Jenni B was an awful presenter and MK is much better to watch.

I do not want an argument with you Rosti. It's just my opinion, rightly or wrongly, that at times you have given me the impression that you seek to moderate the views of others.

Consider that the ratio of bad to good posts about MK might be a reasonably accurate reflection of viewer opinion.

I'm now bowing out gracefully and am off to get ready for lunch.

I am glad you don't want to argue, although your comment that I seek to moderate the views of others still leads me to believe you haven't read my posts above. I have considered the ratio of bad to good, that is why I started ONE positive thread. This messageboard should be for all, and new people shouldn't feel intimidated.

Enjoy your lunch.

JJ3, I apologise, your posts yesterday came over as trying to wind people up. Welcome to the boards, have a nose round and enjoy.

(I agree with most of your comments tho)

Hi Eton Neat, another voice in favour of Market Kitchen! Welcome to you too.

Rosti, I don't think Conch was trying to argue - he was just in disagreement. BIG difference.

Same with JJ3, he came across very aggressive but probably wasn't. It's interesting how the written word always reads "harsher" than the actual intent.

That's why the emoticons are so useful to soften the words and try to convey what we normally do in our voice.

Here we go again
another *new* poster saying the oldies they are wrong.
yawn.

Rosti, so many posts here! YOU are tired of this? Then why enter this board?

You are the #3 poster on this website so you would know more than anyone else that the vast, VAST number of threads on this board have nothing to do with MK, GFL or Jenny Barnett.

Why do the 5 or 6 very active threads bother you so much? Just because they generally don't share your opinion is no reason to get so worked up.

Now for the point I originally wanted to make: all the posters that do NOT like MK generally give reasons, critique and suggestions for improvement. But those that disagree with these posters never really explain why they disagree, they only say they like MK - which of course is absolutely fine.

Really, there are a LOT of people that like MK. The show gets an average of 15-19,000 viewers for EACH Episode. And one episode each week normally breaks through 40,000. That's nothing to sniff at!

But I also think it is reasonable to allow people who do not like MK to have their say and explain why. After all, that's the title of this thread.

And, MrktGuru, the changes you describe look like the old Good Food Live program to me. from an expert?

And what exactly is wrong with *new* posters having their say? Nothing I would submit. The MK debacle is what has activated them. Note how rosti welcomes and invites the pro-MK posters yet now it is suggested by Natural Woman that anti-MK posters are somehow less than welcome.

I sense a touch of hypocrisy here. I humbly suggest the board is not the sole domain of oldie posters - it's for everyone regardless of their tastes and opinion.

I know this question has been mentioned before but I don't think anyone has ever answered it or even proferred a theory: why is MK aired at 8PM. That seems like suicide.

Wouldn't it be better viewed around the 6PM timeslot, or is it just that my viewing habits are odd?

It seems everything they have done has been to guarantee this programme flops.

Everyone, can I add my vote here? Market Kitchen is absolutely, positively, without question the worst cookery programme ever, for all the reasons above and much, much more.

Reg, I do note the subtle movement towards GFLesque elements to the program, but geez, can't they just FIX IT?

I want something "foodie" and new to watch every evening. It doesn't seem too much to ask.