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looking for some career advice - again

Thread Starter: murdrobe    Started: Sun 13 Jul 2008    Replies: 9

i posted on here a while back asking roughly what to do when finished with my NVQ level 2 catering course and got some helpful advice but i wanted to update my situation and see if anyone else had anything to offer.

i have now finished college (waiting for my certificates to come through for both the NVQ2 and lvl 2 food hygiene)

i applied to go onto the level 3 course but was simply told i wasnt fast enough around the kitchen. my level 2 course contained a total of 1 real production lesson and no work experience, our class was stuck doing the prep work for it for the whole year, basically the college messed up and our class has to suffer for it as now i have no practical experience on which to look for a job and this is my problem.

at home i am teaching myself basic molecular gastronomy and doing things like trying to perfect my own recipes. but i need to find work or something so that i can carry this on as some of the equipment is rather expensive and there is nowhere that actually teaches this stuff that i can find by searching the internet.

i live in the north west of england i have some good restaurants on my doorstep like northcote manor is roughly 3 miles from my house, this is another part of my problem as appropriate chef jobs are hard to come by up here, especially with being told that im not fast enough in a kitchen.

basically my confidence is shaken, im very confident in my techniques, ingredient knowledge and stuff but i need something that would teach me how to behave professionally, and give me the confidence to do just that.

i believe a chefs job to have to be enjoyable to counteract the hard work, what i do not find enjoyable is being stuck working in some little grotty pub, cooking food i wouldnt serve to a pet nevermind a paying customer. i have been in this position allready and it just gave me the "cant be bothered" approach to it.

im like fighting with myself at the moment because its seeming like im trying to run before i can walk but i dont know what else to do. is there no way to get around working in some horrible place to gain the piece of paper saying i have experience?

i have an enormous passion for food that i just cant describe and i dont want to waste it, however i dont know what to do. i cant get a job without experience and i cant get the experience without a job.

what i would like to get into is just being a developer of food as i feel thats what i am, i could imagine myself living in a feran adria style laboratory and designing menu's for high class restaurants all day long, playing with new exciting ingredients, that would be my ideal job in the long term aspects of things.

i dont have any experience to say wether there is even a job title that falls under that nevermind how to get into it, im just wondering can anyone give me some advice as to what to look into doing as a next step towards that goal and how would i go about it?

i really just want something that gives me some freedom within the kitchen, every chef dreams of "making something theyre own" and of course my other option would be to look into starting something of my own but doing that with no exerience is 1 hell of a daunting task, i think i could do it but getting the backing for it with no experience is another task entirely.




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Wed 23 Sep 2009, 7.38PM

DeLeeder

Hi There

I've got a few pointers that might be of some help. The problem with the recruitment market is that many potential employers are not willing to take on risk at the moment. What this means is that when a vacancy need does arise for a catering firm or restaurant the hiring manager will now look for the most experienced and person with the most proven/provable skills. Many entry level applicants CV's are quickly scanned and discarded unfortunatley. In the past 10 years or so before the economic problems of today many firms were willing to take on and train entry level staff, now for top line posts there are no longer "trainee vacancies" avaialble. This is true for many professions today. The best advice for you would be spend some time working abroad if you can for about 6months to a year. You will find catering work in many parts of europe namely Germany or even in South Asia if you are willing to travel. This experience and commitment you would have shown will strike up an excellent CV with potential UK employers. You shouldnt really bother to work in a "grotty UK pub" for experience. This wont create the right impression and one does not really learn much from microwaving frozen meals for weatherspoons or harvesters!

Tue 22 Sep 2009, 7.38PM

gloriacantmakepancakes

although late to this discussion I totally agree with cdm. Go on murdrobe forge ahead never mind that muppet on the spelling who needs that if you have cooking talent. look at Ramsey. And his obnoxcious "talent" of getting the point across. Go on my friend knock on every door tell them how great you are sell yourself! Here's the point....Is this your dream? chase it then! Hug

Sun 9 Aug 2009, 7.25AM

Chef de Maison

Hi murdrobe, good to hear you are on your way again. Sounds like a good opportunity to get the basics right this time so that you will have the skills and experience necessary to advance your culinary career. I like the sound of you learning to fish and forage, good skills to have. It would be worth looking to see what Estates are in your area where they hunt and shoot game. The Grouse season starts on the 12th August. You might be lucky to find an opportunity to act a a beater for a day. It is a good introduction to game shooting and will give you some contact with gamekeepers. Look on the www for grouse shoots and go from there.

Please let us know how things progress.

Good Luck

David Smile

Sat 8 Aug 2009, 11.13AM

gastrosurf

Good to hear from you murdrobe - it sounds as if you are on the road to where you want to be.

It rarely seems like it when you are there, but starting at the bottom of the ladder is a very good place to start, it's where a lot of those that have got to the top started - particularly good if you intend to head for a management post later on.

A "decent wage" and some time to develop your interest sounds good too.

Thanks for letting us know how things are going for you, and I hope you keep in touch.

All the very best to you

gastro

Sat 8 Aug 2009, 12.10AM

murdrobe

im not doing too badly thanks for asking, i got some advice for various places but still didnt end up doing much until recently. i not long ago found a job which i start on the 24th of this month, im still doing other bits of fun, teaching myself fishing, foraging and looking to do other bits when i can.

i did try to get some stages or voluntary work, got a week at northcote manor which was fun but was struggeling to find other places that i could afford to travel to.

the job i start is gonna be at a new college. its a little bit of everything i wanted, lots of freedom even though its basically bottom of the ladder, decent wages and because of the school times lots of holidays where i can do the fun stuff (the fishing foraging, hopefully hunting and some other bits if i can find someone to teach me :P)Brand new kitchen, so everything and everyone is new same as me so we all get to learn together which sounds great.

im in the final of a charity chilli cook off in flemming square, Blackburn town center on the 22nd of this month, everyones welcome, its nice and cheap, good food and great support for the charity which is called Nightsafe and provides housing and support for homeless children.

Fri 7 Aug 2009, 12.52PM

gastrosurf

Wondering how things went for murdrobe, as it's just turned a year since the original post?

It is hard for youngsters, because while the colleges train students to cook, many of today's employers want chefs to re-heat and get things on a plate at break-neck speed.

If you see this murdrobe, it would be great to hear how things have gone for you.

Thu 6 Aug 2009, 11.39AM

posset

It is a tough time for restaurants as I'm sure you realise, thus jobs will be hard to find. My advise is as Chef de Maison's. Contact your local restaurants where they prepare food from scratch and take any job where you can observe the workings of a professional kitchen, even if it means washing pots for a while.

Molecular gastronomy is not an art in itself, you have to have a clear and solid understanding of all traditional cooking methods. You need to understand and respect your ingredients and their preparation storage etc. This understanding comes from years of experience and lots of mistakes along the way.

Don't be disheartened, keep on trying, be prepared to start at the bottom, your passion for food will drive you along and you will enjoy the journey. Wishing you the best of luck.

Wed 5 Aug 2009, 3.28PM

Chef de Maison

Hi

You have been unlucky in your choice of training. I would suggest that you take a couple of steps back and get in touch with professional cooks in your area. Offer to work for free for a while, ask to be assessed when you have had a chance to work for a day or so. If you are too slow, you may be able to improve by practice. Speed is a matter of several factors, including confidence and being comfortable with your ingredients and tools. You cannot expect to step into a top kitchen until you can demonstrate that you can be a team player who will work and learn.

Good Luck

David Smile

Sat 20 Jun 2009, 4.49PM

Graham3170

Whilst I would never like to tread on anyone's ambitions you sound as though you want to run before you can walk:-

"what i would like to get into is just being a developer of food as I feel thats what i am, i could imagine myself living in a feran adria style laboratory and designing menu's for high class restaurants all day long, playing with new exciting ingredients "
I suspect that a lot of people would like to start at the top!

Apparently you do have some work experience:-
"what i do not find enjoyable is being stuck working in some little grotty pub, cooking food i wouldnt serve to a pet nevermind a paying customer. i have been in this position allready".
What happened, did they fire you?

My best suggestion is to get a job and work up from there. Mind you to get a job you may need to learn to spell and use capitalisation!

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