There appears to be a gross misunderstanding of resposibility here.

I'm astounded that viewers are demanding changes and stamping their feet when those demands are not instantly met.

I'm amazed that viewers are thinking "UKTV Food" should be reading and replying to messages left here.

I am apalled that viewers are campaigning for the return of GFL and Jeni Barnett to replace Market Kitchen.

Market Kitchen is a new program to UKTV Food, bought from a production company.

GFL isn't shown on UKTV Food but still shown on UKTV Bright Ideas in a repeat format, so no new shows were required from the production company of GFL. Jeni Barnett became surpless to requirements when this happened, and not before time.

People give themselves too much ego and esteem thinking they can post on a website and get their own way. For each one of you complaining here there are probibly a thousand giving a different view elsewhere. So what makes you think you are so special. You are a very small minority of the viewing public making tiresome comments on what appears to have been a very happy website previously.

Theres hundreds of channels available to view, thousands of programs to watch. Try watching something else. If TV production companies bowed to every person who said they wanted a program removed or another brought back it would be hilarious and impossible.

Think how many programs have finished in recent or even further back years. Should they all be reinstated and produced again because a couple of hundred people said so?

Most viewers don't even pay to watch UKTV Food, it's a free channel part of the BBC covered by the licence fee you had to pay for anyway. In General UKTV is for repeats.

I don't like Big Brother or many other programs shown, so I don't watch them. I wouldn't watch them so I could complain about them, I would feel a hypocrite. Watch something else or if you watch a program you know you won't like there is no point complaining.

Interesting points Y, and certainly a different take on everything.

But most ARE actually taking your advice and watching something else.

That's the problem though. That means both the audience and UKTV Food (as well as the sponsors) lose. It's a lose-lose-lose proposition.

Not the ideal result for anyone.

Better to go to the website of the things you/they are watching to complain about them than complain about something you/they don't like and don't watch in that case.

?????

But YMaddison, isn't that exactly what they are doing and exactly what you are astounded/amazed/appaled with?

Hi YMaddison - a quick question, please excuse my nosiness. Are you linked to the program / channel in anyway? I notice that you only started posting here today, but are knowledgeable about the channel and indeed some of it's former employees.

If you do have links to the channel it might be worth encouraging them to have a look around these boards at some of the feedback from their paying customers (and no, UKTVFood isn't free - Sky, cable and TopupTV all cost money)

Y, once a show is transmited the ownership transfers to the audience. Its is a invited guest in their homes, MK was sold intialy (and quite wrongly I might add) as a replacement for GFL. By that very token people had a expectation on MK that the format and style would never give.
People miss the guest that was GFL, and how the handover between the 2 shows was handled has left a bad taste in peoples mouths.

And as with any daily show that is popular it became part of the routine and rhythm of the day.
The fact that the bad taste and passion for a show has lasted so long, proves that MK and UKTV food have missed the mark.
And seeing as it is the only TV food network in the UK the viewers feel a sense of ownership over its content(rightly or wrongly). And have been let down by guest they invited in their homes.

I agree Freddyg, that you have to pay for cable and sky etc to be able to watch UKTVFood, but if, like me you have a cable package because TV by normal aerial was so lousy (and will be discontinued soon anyway) it comes as part of the package.

I have cable TV, my broadband and my telephone line as a package deal and it comes with loads of chanels. The only ones I feel I have to pay extra for are things like the film, sports and Disney ones.

prodigal2, I didn't know that about ownership of a show passing to the audience once it has been transmitted. Why aren't I getting royalties for all the repeats I must own by now.

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I think for a great deal of UKTV food viewers are just not watching this show. And the main reason is that the format/concept is flawed.

The inserts shot in Borough Market, really are very poor from a production stand point. Some one will be talking about a technique and the camera will be crash zooming onto the chefs face. To quote Floyd "on the food please Clive"!!But then again these segments are shot on the cheap, no lighting or dedicated sound with a production assistant as a camera op.

The cafe set is very poor, the space is to open and lacks focus and the colours don't allow the presenters to stand out in shot. Then again having people crossing the back of shots during a interview is very poor too. And also the hustle and bustle noise in the background from the FAUX cafe makes interviews hard to follow on a normal TV. The London centric mindset also alienates the audience.

I don't wish to be drawn on presenters, all I will say is they are not strong enough, and as a rule are outshone by the guest chefs.

Many viewers have felt alienated by the "food as status symbol" packaging to the show. There was obviously a focus to try and get a specific demographic to appeal to advertisers, GFL had too broad a church in demographic to pitch to advertisers and yet that was its strength.

I do try and give this show a go, and there are improvements, in some of the pre-recorded items(not from Borough Market), which have obviously been produced and directed outside of the main production team, but all they tend to do is then make the rest of the show look even flatter.

The time slot issue is a biggie as for the percieved audience it was right, the problem being it is not leading the audience into other shows like GFL did.

In all honesty UKTV Food really need to bring in the producers directors and editors from the F word and "fix the show" top to bottom. They should of done this in the first place, but as a show it just reeks of cheap TV doing too many things with a small amount of money, and getting none of it right.

One of the problems was also in audience expectation. GFL was a cornerstone to a great deal of peoples TV viewing. The same expectation was placed on MK, and it has not delievered.

MK was messed up before it came to air. Before even the first show was recorded, and to blame the presenters is unfair, they are just the visable part of the whole production.

Come on UKTV food you need to fix the faults. MK is being watched in SOHO and Galleries up and down the country, as the "worst show on TV".

Prodigal, your post wasn't deleted - it just "goes away" for 24 hours in the infinite wisdom of whomever design this crazy thing. The fact that a post can appear for an entire day, the disappear for another whole day and then miraculaously reappear in frustrating and very confusing.

It also causes each thread to surge on one topic or another on alternating days, making the logical flow of the thread almost incomprehensible.

Oh well, they are wiser than we!!

Have no idea what copyright/ownership or whatever is supposed to transfer to us, rosti! Wouldn't THAT be fab!!?? The whole point kind of it went over my head.

But Freddgy, I would bet money that our new poster DOES work for the production company. He [she] just knows far too much about the inner workings here to be an outside poster like the rest of us.

If he does, he'd do well to take his energy and turn it the other way to help FIX this farce of a show.

But the "give away" was the real anger embedded between each line of text. It's as if he was threatened somehow?

I agree TVFoodie, why on earth did he/she bother to write such a long post if they're not interested? Y didn't say anything positive about the programme. It seemed that Y thought message boards were ... well I don't know what they think they're for ... and the biggest giveaway for me, apart from the tone, Y talked about 'the viewers' in the 3rd person.

And notice what disdain he showed for those 3rd person "viewers"!!

Well my guess is either it's a troll or indeed he/she is from the production company, the post shows the exact arrogance and anger that we have come to expect from the posters who don't dare reveal who they really are.

How DARE we have opinions! Tsk. Quiet in the back row children!

I mean what's the point of a messageboard if not to give opinions?

How strange that there is so much of this "if they support MK they must be a troll or plant or part of the production company.
How laughable.
"the post shows the exact arrogance and anger that we have come to expect from the posters who don't dare reveal who they really are."
Who are you really dusyfrg?

Look at that post.
They are saying why are you expecting uktv food to read and reply? Why should they? This is a website for us to post on not a direct line to them.
They are saying why are you expecting your demands to be met? You are a minority with loud voices thats all. Stop watching stop posting uktv food wont miss you or your shouting.
Jeni Barnet has gone, there have been much bigger threads and much nastier remarks about her on here in the past.
"How DARE we have opinions! Tsk. Quiet in the back row children!
I mean what's the point of a messageboard if not to give opinions?"
Does pot and kettle mean anything to you?

Tell me once where I said "if they support MK they must be a troll or plant or part of the production company. " - perhaps I didn't make it clear but I was referring to the poster who started this thread. And who am I? I'm dustyfrg, I have one identity on this forum, and one only. How many do you have? I'd guess at least 2 if not 3. But hey ho, whatever floats your boat.

And do you really think if someone says you should stop posting because we don't like it we'll just stop like that?
Oh - ok then.

Larissa, looking at the MK viewing figures and the newspaper reviews I'd be very surprised to find that the body of opinion on these threads represents the minority.

"Well my guess is either it's a troll or indeed he/she is from the production company, the post shows the exact arrogance and anger that we have come to expect from the posters who don't dare reveal who they really are."
Your post dustyfrg, look at others. Freddyg? has also said he got it wrong.
You have an identity here but that doesnt say who you really are any more than anyone else. I think I know Maddie from years ago. I dont know you.

I find these posts very disturbing?

How can a viewer have to much esteem? and surely our views count when we pay to subscribe to the channel?

The arrogance and hostility of some posters who seem to be rapping our knuckles for daring to criticise mk, when actually most people have offered constructive opinions on how to improve the programme, is very disturbing and im sorry but it reeks of someone from the production company of mk determined to shout us down, we are all being reasonable and polite.

The arrogance is coming from the 2 posters above

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Um Larissa...... No I did not say I got "it" wrong. What I said was that I misinterpreted/misunderstood what Rosti had typed in an earlier post and I, quite rightly, apologised.

Yes, Frddyg, you did and I accept your apology gracefully, for your misunderstanding of my post.

Anything else is a another issue which we will agree, disagree and or discuss in the future.

Ris, you are not being funny or helpful tonight.